Faster boy! Work in progress Ok, while the engineer is being done to produce his new post, just to show how an accountant is far more efficient, there strabilierò bringing the full interview
Vezio de Lucia to
Building and published in the last January.
Okay, I admit, the m'è came straight from an architect friend, but what are friends for?
A clarification is a must: De Lucia is deployed schieratissimo, and certainly not where I placed me for twenty or more years, say that he was on the other hand, today, on the other hand I do not know exactly where I feel, but in the end, who cares. However, his being deployed has never stopped to say and do things with intelligence bipartisan as it is often said today.
I do not pretend that what he says in this interview to convince everyone, I myself can not say I agree with everything but the basic concepts of yes, they are one hundred percent.
And now dear engineer, passes the ball to you, and you see the wonder eh!
STOP THE CONSUMPTION OF SOIL
"A clear line that decrees a halt to the use of soil. From there we must leave. Word of Vezio De Lucia, planner militant, interviewed on Building in January 2011 by Fulvio Bertamini
Vezio De Lucia, 72, of Naples, is an urban activist in permanent service owner. Former Director General of Town Planning in the Ministry of Public Works and member of the Board of Governors, has been City's planning department at the time Antonio Bassolino ephemeral rebirth of Naples. Then he fell out with 'or mayor and was not confirmed. It also boasts a more flattering dismissal: when she worked at Porta Pia was torpedoed by the Minister Dc Giovanni Prandini, then run over by Tangentopoli. Our National Council of Italy, has signed many plans and won the award for Urban Cederna 2006.
De Lucia, urban planning is really in crisis?
"In an irreversible crisis, I think. The figure is dramatic in the meantime the land is consumed, with dire consequences. You see, the planning is very different from finance: the tax amnesty can have very serious outcomes for the economy and the collective moral, but ten years you can forget it, practicing an opposite policy, which will deliver different principles. The building amnesty, however, leaves a mark irreversible: the its impact on the territory can not be removed, if not impractical and disproportionate costs. This makes the dramatic landscape in which we declined. The depletion of land resources continues. And on the horizon I see no hope for change. "
What are the reasons for the crisis?
"They are political in nature. We all agree now, in saying that planning is the key component of politics tout court. It is at that scale, then, reference should be made to understand the causes of the crisis, determined primarily by the decline the prevalence of the public. A trend started decades ago, in the eighties, when it changed the political landscape, with the prevalence setting Thatcher and Reagan. Private is good: it is the philosophy of each owner at home. The city, he thinks, works best if it satisfies the majority of private interests. But the opposite is true. Rome is a striking example of this disaster. It is impossible to think of his mobility, to inhuman suburbs because completely unhinged by the urban body. All the lessons of decades of urban planning have been forgotten to pursue only the interests of landed property. "
I think a trend rather well established. After all, if she cries Rome, Milan certainly not not laugh. What do you think?
"In fact, the weed was born in Milan, artist Maurizio Lupi (the current Vice-President of the Chamber, ed.) There is a planning document to the basic contract and is "Rebuilding the great Milan, designed by Luigi Mazza in 2000 but commissioned by Wolves, then city councilor and Development of the territory: here is theorized the end of the discipline, which does not control nothing more and is formed by the sum of private housing decisions. In that document is then Then, a few years later, the text of the national urban reform, better known as Bill Wolf, who recounts that setting. And fortunately, they never will be transformed into law. But now the line is drawn. I remember that at that time also supported the reform Inu. "
In fact, only in part. Indeed, the then President Paul Avarello felt left alone in that position.
"It does not matter. The point is another: the crisis of the city - and planning has always been little-studied politics. Even from the left side, historically part which I refer. He recalled a few years ago in a Benevolent Leonardo wrote: none of the main exponents of national politics after the war - from De Gasperi, Togliatti, Berlinguer by Moro, until Fini D'Alema - has never faced the problem. Those who rode the issue successfully is Silvio Berlusconi on an opposite course, by proposing solutions to which I referred earlier - the building amnesties, the house plan, etc. - and acting on the worst instincts of the Italians. But to determine the separation of politics from town also played a factor. "
What?
"The fate of two leading figures of Italian politics who tried to confront the problems of the urban condition. The first was Fiorentino Sullo, swept away by his own party, the Christian Democrats, for having proposed a highly developed urban reform and effective in the control of real property, which could lead Italy to the level of the great European social democracies. The other, on a smaller scale, was Achille Occhetto. Which debuted spectacularly imposing on the junta to stop red Florence striking example of urban planning that was contracted to do the Fiat-land.
"It was June of 1989, five months before the turn of Bolognina. The call of the then secretary of the Communist Party blew up the largest settlement in Novoli and Castle, where they had planned a convention and exhibition center. "
I believe that no one has the elements in hand to say that this incident led to the demise of political Occhetto. But if you investigate thoroughly, perhaps you may find that, deep down, there is a link. Needless to say, in Florence, left the scene Occhetto, the project went ahead, as highlighted in the recent scandal on the subdivisions of the Castle. Probably these examples suggest many Italian politicians to believe that urban planning is very dangerous matter, which is best to turn away. "
go down in the specific discipline. She believes that the crisis has weighed the general lack of reform?
"Sure. I have dedicated his life to attempts to reform. But the issue now seems out of scale, having been enshrined in the overcoming of the town planning regulations. The situation today is much more serious of the immediate post-war then nobody thought that the rules could be bypassed. Let's go back a second floor home, which is an initiative of the Regions. The national framework law, in fact, has been repeatedly announced but never launched, because unconstitutional. However, the government has deliberately set out principles to which all regions, including those left of center, you are right. And this is very serious. A significant case of Tuscany, the first to pass a law. He did it in a proper manner to charity: the benefits are paid provided that the measures proposed to be respectful of planning legislation. But he had the titles to oppose the move. Instead it is aligned with the general direction of derogation. "
He might not enact any law, as happened in Trentino Alto Adige.
"Indeed. This is a sign of complicity objective, as I said once: right and left meet again on this land. "
"She said that the zoning rules do not count. But Italy is covered by planes of all kinds. How do you explain this?
We live in a situation of apparent schizophrenia: planning continues to do, as well as operations continue in the opposite direction on our territory. But it should be also said that not all of Italy was overwhelmed by the model in Milan and Rome. There are situations in which proper urban planning continues to be dominant. "
What do you think of the proposed urban reform promoted dall'Inu in 1995, with the new plan is divided into a structural part and an implementation, then taken up by many regional zoning laws?
"The budget is not a positive experience. I refer particularly to the situation in Tuscany, I know better. First, the rapidity that would have guaranteed a model consisting of plane long-term structural, operational tools to be implemented progressively through more agile, often coinciding with the office of mayor, has never been reached. In Tuscany, the implementation of the new scheme requires much longer than the old prg. And it's not true that at a structural level match one or more operational tools. Usually launched a document structure, then an operation, then the need to create another variant induces a structural level and another operator, and so on. Something does not work, obviously. In my opinion the basic problem is the disruption planning. In the end, the only plan that really matters is that city. Not has never managed to establish a true planning for large areas, even where force is ineffective, not addressing crucial issues such as the size and configuration of the expansion. Everything is reduced to an urban scale. Tuscany to stay at my example, is now one huge conurbation formed by combining physical, seamless, all the provincial capitals: Municipalities for two hundred million people. Does it seem possible that all this can be ruled by one hundred and structural plans at least as many business plans? If the choices structural role for the provinces and their implementation to the municipalities, have taken a step forward, and avoid duplication. And a large land use. "
What's the answer?
"We can not wait for some kind of cultural evolution, economic, political. Needless to say some very simple ideas, but just as strong. The first, which should be undertaken by public acclaim, is to stop consumption of soil. Save their own skin. Draw a red line around the building as it has emerged in recent years and say these are the pillars of Hercules, beyond can not go. Elsewhere in Europe is already so it's always very clear red line. Ends the city, began the campaign. And he remains stunned by the sharpness of the change. This detachment, in Italy, no longer exists here because reaffirm the distinction between town and country I think is important issue is effective, useful to improve our quality of life. Another fundamental point is to defend the beauty of our landscape, which must become a shared value. Although physical security is to be considered: the fight against hydro-geological and seismic risk must be fought. It is also an issue for public spending, of course: it was shown that a sensible policy of prevention is cheaper than the mere award of damages. In addition, intensive working capital and low-density: just think of the stitch-and-Undoing of old stone houses, allowing, for example, the action of seismic safety. "
In fact, today the term security is used differently. And the walled quarters, locked within the walls and guarded by private security, are beginning to appear in our territory. She also sees this risk in the future of Italian cities?
"ghettoized in the private-security gated community struck me many years ago during a research trip to the United States. I was convinced it was inconceivable for a model of European culture. Unfortunately, however, took root here. Even in Naples. I allude to the management center, the mother of all the speculation, being guarded by private security has become a place frequented by working class neighborhoods nearby. Apparently responding to the need for security, very much felt today. Naples, of course, is a city a bit 'extreme in this regard, perhaps no text. But it seems to me that the problem is more perceived than real. Today our cities are much safer than thirty years ago. "
you think you give too Credit urbanism that, after all, has never been able to drive the transformation of our country?
"I do not agree. The planning that you are practicing in Naples, for example, is exactly that prescribed by the prg and collecting a broad consensus, beginning with the manufacturers. Some basic choices, such as blocking the building in non-urbanized areas, have been met. And I can cite many other examples of positive throughout Italy. "
Perhaps then there is a problem of implementation planning. She spoke of the prg Naples, which was launched when he was city councilor for urban planning. But the recovery of the area of \u200b\u200bBagnoli, envisaged in that plan, it is never gone.
"True, but at least you have not made anything different or wrong. It simply has not done anything: only the reclamation has dragged on for decades. It is probably well founded and reasonable suspicion that the appetites are others on that area. But for now we can only record a sensational late. "
According to the City's planning department in Rome Marco Corsini, public administration in Italy has always pursued private interests, receiving a functional response to their survival. What do you think? And how heavy is the possibility of spending the current municipal infrastructure costs, do not pick for the loan income of the area?
"It weighs a lot on the latter point we all agree: it was a disaster. In planning, however, have not always prevailed private interests. Twenty years are certainly prevalent, but in the past were written pages of stunning contrast to the rent. Think of the Appia Antica, 2,500 acres parceled the property of the Vatican and the Roman GENERON taken away from speculation by a political decision. Here, it is important to retrace the recent history of our city, even in universities. No one today remembers that story, which matured during the difficult years during the building lots in the country. Yet it was a battle won. Just as they won in Florence and Bologna Such Edward Joseph Campos Venuti, the City's planning department who blocked the building of the hills. Lotte chops tears and blood, but it was worth it. Do you know why those areas were saved and the Vomero, Monte Mario Posilippo or not? Why were the subject of policies. That still, after all, are possible. "
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